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		<title>By: dogodus</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/03/05/1631/comment-page-1#comment-103231</link>
		<dc:creator>dogodus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 21:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Als Handwerk (von mhd. hant-werc, eine Lehnübersetzung zu lat. opus manuum und grch. ?e???????a (cheirurgia)) werden zahlreiche gewerbliche Tätigkeiten bezeichnet, die Produkte meist auf Bestellung fertigen oder Dienstleistungen auf Nachfrage erbringen. Der Begriff bezeichnet auch den gesamten Berufsstand. Die handwerkliche Tätigkeit steht der industriellen Massenproduktion gegenüber. Das handwerkliche Gewerbe wird in Deutschland verbindlich durch die Handwerksordnung geregelt. 
 
In der weitgehend bäuerlich geprägten Welt des frühen Mittelalters spielten die sich später spezialisierenden Handwerkstätigkeiten wie die Verarbeitung von Nahrungsmitteln, die Herstellung von Textilien oder das Fertigen von Geräten und Bauten aus Holz noch eine verschwindend geringe Rolle gegenüber der häuslichen Eigenproduktion. Spezielle Arbeitstechniken, wie Bronzeguss, Malerei und Bildhauerei waren an Klöster gebunden. Erst im Hochmittelalter und mit der Städtebildung verlagerte sich der Schwerpunkt in urbane Zentren. Die hergestellten Waren werden auf Märkten feilgeboten oder in Werkstätten und Läden ausgestellt und verkauft. Eine Ausnahmerolle spielen Baumeister und Steinhauer, die, von einer (Kirchen-) Bauhütte zur nächsten ziehend, über territoriale Grenzen hinweg Fertigkeiten, Innovationen und Stilentwicklungen verbreiten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Handwerk (von mhd. hant-werc, eine Lehnübersetzung zu lat. opus manuum und grch. ?e???????a (cheirurgia)) werden zahlreiche gewerbliche Tätigkeiten bezeichnet, die Produkte meist auf Bestellung fertigen oder Dienstleistungen auf Nachfrage erbringen. Der Begriff bezeichnet auch den gesamten Berufsstand. Die handwerkliche Tätigkeit steht der industriellen Massenproduktion gegenüber. Das handwerkliche Gewerbe wird in Deutschland verbindlich durch die Handwerksordnung geregelt. </p>
<p>In der weitgehend bäuerlich geprägten Welt des frühen Mittelalters spielten die sich später spezialisierenden Handwerkstätigkeiten wie die Verarbeitung von Nahrungsmitteln, die Herstellung von Textilien oder das Fertigen von Geräten und Bauten aus Holz noch eine verschwindend geringe Rolle gegenüber der häuslichen Eigenproduktion. Spezielle Arbeitstechniken, wie Bronzeguss, Malerei und Bildhauerei waren an Klöster gebunden. Erst im Hochmittelalter und mit der Städtebildung verlagerte sich der Schwerpunkt in urbane Zentren. Die hergestellten Waren werden auf Märkten feilgeboten oder in Werkstätten und Läden ausgestellt und verkauft. Eine Ausnahmerolle spielen Baumeister und Steinhauer, die, von einer (Kirchen-) Bauhütte zur nächsten ziehend, über territoriale Grenzen hinweg Fertigkeiten, Innovationen und Stilentwicklungen verbreiten.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Lancaster</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/03/05/1631/comment-page-1#comment-59213</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Lancaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant information, thank you for sharing that with us. I&#039;m sure &lt;a href=&quot;//www.lancastercarpetcleaning.co.uk/”&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;carpet cleaners Lancaster&lt;/a&gt; will get a lot out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant information, thank you for sharing that with us. I&#8217;m sure <a href="//www.lancastercarpetcleaning.co.uk/”" rel="nofollow">carpet cleaners Lancaster</a> will get a lot out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Julen</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/03/05/1631/comment-page-1#comment-24052</link>
		<dc:creator>Julen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 06:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to write you an email but it bounced back. Then I realized you are probably just automatic spam. 

If you are a real person, please answer to this comment here within a week (or I will spam the whole thing).

Oh, and you can use the post, sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to write you an email but it bounced back. Then I realized you are probably just automatic spam. </p>
<p>If you are a real person, please answer to this comment here within a week (or I will spam the whole thing).</p>
<p>Oh, and you can use the post, sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Gedicht</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/03/05/1631/comment-page-1#comment-24037</link>
		<dc:creator>Gedicht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 18:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello from Germany! May i quote a post a translated part of your blog with a link to you? I&#039;ve tried to contact you for the topic Blog credibility thread: Chinablogs &#124; CHINAYOUREN, but i got no answer, please reply when you have a moment, thanks, Gedicht</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello from Germany! May i quote a post a translated part of your blog with a link to you? I&#8217;ve tried to contact you for the topic Blog credibility thread: Chinablogs | CHINAYOUREN, but i got no answer, please reply when you have a moment, thanks, Gedicht</p>
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		<title>By: TonyB</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/03/05/1631/comment-page-1#comment-1575</link>
		<dc:creator>TonyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everyone, 
I have a carpet cleaning business in Houston,TX that was doing pretty good until the economy went bad, and with it my clientele. I have a website for the business but I dont 
know what I have to do the get it to show up in a search. Right now it&#039;s somewhere in the  yahoo/google netherworld (LOL).

Is there someone on here that can give me some insight or know of anyone that coud give me insight on how I can get my local website on the front 
page of a Yahoo or Google search to increase my business without it costing me 5 or 10k $$$? If so please share with me.

 I thank you and my hungry over-eating children thank you.

thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone,<br />
I have a carpet cleaning business in Houston,TX that was doing pretty good until the economy went bad, and with it my clientele. I have a website for the business but I dont<br />
know what I have to do the get it to show up in a search. Right now it&#8217;s somewhere in the  yahoo/google netherworld (LOL).</p>
<p>Is there someone on here that can give me some insight or know of anyone that coud give me insight on how I can get my local website on the front<br />
page of a Yahoo or Google search to increase my business without it costing me 5 or 10k $$$? If so please share with me.</p>
<p> I thank you and my hungry over-eating children thank you.</p>
<p>thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Repaso semanal &#124; CHINAYOUREN</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/03/05/1631/comment-page-1#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Repaso semanal &#124; CHINAYOUREN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ha habido una actividad por encima de lo normal.  Destacado: una discusion interesante sobre la credibilidad de los blogs, la critica de un libro sobre China que recomiendo, y el tour guiado del internet Chino [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ha habido una actividad por encima de lo normal.  Destacado: una discusion interesante sobre la credibilidad de los blogs, la critica de un libro sobre China que recomiendo, y el tour guiado del internet Chino [...]</p>
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		<title>By: uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/03/05/1631/comment-page-1#comment-999</link>
		<dc:creator>uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are in a circular argument. Most commentators in this thread seem to say that ESWN is the most influential because most of them are readers of ESWN, as they came through its link (I can see that in the stats). Inversely in a post linked by Danwei I might get people saying Danwei is the most influential. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I like both blogs and I don&#039;t want to turn this into a silly competition. But I just wanted to say that there are also many other blogs that contribute to the discussion and there is, to a certain extent, a sense of teamwork.

And yes, if you are short of time it is not a bad idea to stick to the big ones, they will (almost) always bring the interesting items to you before you can find them yourself browsing 100 blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are in a circular argument. Most commentators in this thread seem to say that ESWN is the most influential because most of them are readers of ESWN, as they came through its link (I can see that in the stats). Inversely in a post linked by Danwei I might get people saying Danwei is the most influential. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I like both blogs and I don&#8217;t want to turn this into a silly competition. But I just wanted to say that there are also many other blogs that contribute to the discussion and there is, to a certain extent, a sense of teamwork.</p>
<p>And yes, if you are short of time it is not a bad idea to stick to the big ones, they will (almost) always bring the interesting items to you before you can find them yourself browsing 100 blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: perspectivehere</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/03/05/1631/comment-page-1#comment-998</link>
		<dc:creator>perspectivehere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the Chinablogs interesting as opinion pieces, and sometimes pick up some new facts, links and perspectives on things.  But like the bargain bin at the export overrun outlet, you may have to pick through many many versions of the same crappy items to find the one or two pieces that was worth visiting for.  And there&#039;s no accounting for taste because one man&#039;s treasure is another&#039;s junk. Chacun ses goûts.

I agree with those who mention ESWN as the greatest contributor to Chinablogs, a kind of Grand Central Station for taking you to interesting places, if you will.  I would never have found this page if not for the fact that ESWN had it on its &quot;Recommended Photos/Videos/Readings&quot; board.

While I&#039;m at it, I want to say that I am appreciative of FOARP&#039;s blog for its dogged persistence in pointing out, shall we say, perceived inconsistencies in promotional statements made by certain website(s).  Whether FOARP is correct or not I don&#039;t know, but the fact that FOARP bothered to fact-check something (and in effect, put him/herself on the line since visitors to his/her blog can fact-check his/her fact-checking to the extent those websites are checkable) has highlighted once again that &quot;caveat lector&quot; is the best approach for anything one reads on the web or anywhere else, no matter what the source.  

This made reading the SCMP article &quot;Slight detour in mainland&#039;s consistent foreign exchange policy&quot; by Jane Cai and Martin Zhou in Beijing Mar 02, 2009 very interesting, as I was expecting it to lead up to a more dramatic conclusion than the rather anticlimactic one that appeared:

&quot;Mainland officials have been highly consistent on foreign exchange policy - keeping the yuan stable. But a deviation has occurred recently.  China Briefing, an English-language magazine owned by consultancy Dezan Shira &amp; Associates, reported on February 17 that Zhang Xiaoqiang, the deputy head of the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), had commented that the yuan might drop as low as seven against the US dollar because of a weaker mainland economy....A China Briefing source told the South China Morning Post that the contentious part of the quote was indeed Mr Zhang&#039;s original words, yet were &quot;meant to be off the record&quot;. &quot;But apparently the translator didn&#039;t get the message across to the [author],&quot; he said.  The author of the article, Chris Devonshire-Ellis, could not be reached for comment.&quot;  

Perhaps the SCMP journalists need to read more Chinablogs....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the Chinablogs interesting as opinion pieces, and sometimes pick up some new facts, links and perspectives on things.  But like the bargain bin at the export overrun outlet, you may have to pick through many many versions of the same crappy items to find the one or two pieces that was worth visiting for.  And there&#8217;s no accounting for taste because one man&#8217;s treasure is another&#8217;s junk. Chacun ses goûts.</p>
<p>I agree with those who mention ESWN as the greatest contributor to Chinablogs, a kind of Grand Central Station for taking you to interesting places, if you will.  I would never have found this page if not for the fact that ESWN had it on its &#8220;Recommended Photos/Videos/Readings&#8221; board.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m at it, I want to say that I am appreciative of FOARP&#8217;s blog for its dogged persistence in pointing out, shall we say, perceived inconsistencies in promotional statements made by certain website(s).  Whether FOARP is correct or not I don&#8217;t know, but the fact that FOARP bothered to fact-check something (and in effect, put him/herself on the line since visitors to his/her blog can fact-check his/her fact-checking to the extent those websites are checkable) has highlighted once again that &#8220;caveat lector&#8221; is the best approach for anything one reads on the web or anywhere else, no matter what the source.  </p>
<p>This made reading the SCMP article &#8220;Slight detour in mainland&#8217;s consistent foreign exchange policy&#8221; by Jane Cai and Martin Zhou in Beijing Mar 02, 2009 very interesting, as I was expecting it to lead up to a more dramatic conclusion than the rather anticlimactic one that appeared:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mainland officials have been highly consistent on foreign exchange policy &#8211; keeping the yuan stable. But a deviation has occurred recently.  China Briefing, an English-language magazine owned by consultancy Dezan Shira &amp; Associates, reported on February 17 that Zhang Xiaoqiang, the deputy head of the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), had commented that the yuan might drop as low as seven against the US dollar because of a weaker mainland economy&#8230;.A China Briefing source told the South China Morning Post that the contentious part of the quote was indeed Mr Zhang&#8217;s original words, yet were &#8220;meant to be off the record&#8221;. &#8220;But apparently the translator didn&#8217;t get the message across to the [author],&#8221; he said.  The author of the article, Chris Devonshire-Ellis, could not be reached for comment.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Perhaps the SCMP journalists need to read more Chinablogs&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/03/05/1631/comment-page-1#comment-996</link>
		<dc:creator>uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

You made some good points in your previous comments, but re #cde, I think you are at least partly wrong. The guy actually had a blog at http://www.china-briefing.com/blog/ (it is down now, but you can still see lots of evidence by googling this URL) and for years he networked in the way bloggers do, through pingbacks, comments, syndication and all that. See for example how he himself sent posts to haohao: http://tinyurl.com/cjhfor, and pingbacked/commented many of the main &quot;chinablogs&quot;

CDE was a businessman, so what. I am an engineer, others are lawyers, consultants or researchers. Of course, blogging is normally not a full-time activity, and many use it to support their business. Re CDE&#039;s fall: He could have been able to get away with it, as he did always in the past, if it weren&#039;t for the intenet attacks originating from bloggers and twitterers, which showed the worst part of the story to all his clients. And it is not unreasonable to think that he resigned to avoid his presence hurting the reputation of C-Briefing. (but this point is unclear)

Anyway, it is silly to discuss what is and what is not a &quot;chinablog&quot;. I see you don&#039;t like the term, and that is up to you. Possibly many of the blogs I refer to don&#039;t like it either, I never asked them for permission to use it. For that matter, you could also try to define what IS actually a blog, and you might find out that many of them are just,like you say, &quot;websites&quot;. Look at the biggest of all, the Huffington Post, and tell me what is the difference with an online newspaper.

I defined the term chinablog in my article as &quot;blogs about China in English&quot;. A definition that is in itself vague, because blog is a vague term. Some of them don&#039;t even define themselves as blogs, but rather as &quot;university projects&quot; or &quot;news sites&quot;. Whatever, by this term I was trying to refer to &quot;the online community that interacts constantly about China using methods typical of blogs&quot;, I hope now it is a bit more clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>You made some good points in your previous comments, but re #cde, I think you are at least partly wrong. The guy actually had a blog at <a href="http://www.china-briefing.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://www.china-briefing.com/blog/</a> (it is down now, but you can still see lots of evidence by googling this URL) and for years he networked in the way bloggers do, through pingbacks, comments, syndication and all that. See for example how he himself sent posts to haohao: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/cjhfor" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cjhfor</a>, and pingbacked/commented many of the main &#8220;chinablogs&#8221;</p>
<p>CDE was a businessman, so what. I am an engineer, others are lawyers, consultants or researchers. Of course, blogging is normally not a full-time activity, and many use it to support their business. Re CDE&#8217;s fall: He could have been able to get away with it, as he did always in the past, if it weren&#8217;t for the intenet attacks originating from bloggers and twitterers, which showed the worst part of the story to all his clients. And it is not unreasonable to think that he resigned to avoid his presence hurting the reputation of C-Briefing. (but this point is unclear)</p>
<p>Anyway, it is silly to discuss what is and what is not a &#8220;chinablog&#8221;. I see you don&#8217;t like the term, and that is up to you. Possibly many of the blogs I refer to don&#8217;t like it either, I never asked them for permission to use it. For that matter, you could also try to define what IS actually a blog, and you might find out that many of them are just,like you say, &#8220;websites&#8221;. Look at the biggest of all, the Huffington Post, and tell me what is the difference with an online newspaper.</p>
<p>I defined the term chinablog in my article as &#8220;blogs about China in English&#8221;. A definition that is in itself vague, because blog is a vague term. Some of them don&#8217;t even define themselves as blogs, but rather as &#8220;university projects&#8221; or &#8220;news sites&#8221;. Whatever, by this term I was trying to refer to &#8220;the online community that interacts constantly about China using methods typical of blogs&#8221;, I hope now it is a bit more clear.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/03/05/1631/comment-page-1#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi ULN

Again, have to disagree on the CDE matter. There is still a difference between websites and blogs. China Briefing has a website, very different from what you like to call &quot;chinablogs&#039;.

also, the fall of CDE came at the hands of the relevant government bodies and had nothing to do with blogs. CDE has proven in the past he cares little about bloggers (aside from an obsessive desire to shut them up). You and all the other &#039;chinabloggers&#039; could have blogged until your fingertips fell off and it would have had no effect. I am afraid it was the government that did it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ULN</p>
<p>Again, have to disagree on the CDE matter. There is still a difference between websites and blogs. China Briefing has a website, very different from what you like to call &#8220;chinablogs&#8217;.</p>
<p>also, the fall of CDE came at the hands of the relevant government bodies and had nothing to do with blogs. CDE has proven in the past he cares little about bloggers (aside from an obsessive desire to shut them up). You and all the other &#8216;chinabloggers&#8217; could have blogged until your fingertips fell off and it would have had no effect. I am afraid it was the government that did it!</p>
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		<title>By: ROK Drop Weekly Linklets: March 08, 2009 &#124; ROK Drop</title>
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		<dc:creator>ROK Drop Weekly Linklets: March 08, 2009 &#124; ROK Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A look at the creditability of China blogs. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: uln</title>
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		<dc:creator>uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking of that too. I might look into it when i get some time, I also wanted to install the &quot;reply to comment&quot; option. 

In the meantime, I suggest you go to &quot;view&quot; and then &quot;zoom in&quot; in firefox, or equivalent option in other browsers. Normally they all have the possibility to increase or reduce zoom. I do it all the time in Chinese blogs because I find it really difficult to read the characters in small tyoe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of that too. I might look into it when i get some time, I also wanted to install the &#8220;reply to comment&#8221; option. </p>
<p>In the meantime, I suggest you go to &#8220;view&#8221; and then &#8220;zoom in&#8221; in firefox, or equivalent option in other browsers. Normally they all have the possibility to increase or reduce zoom. I do it all the time in Chinese blogs because I find it really difficult to read the characters in small tyoe.</p>
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