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		<title>By: In English &#124; Hidden Harmonies China Blog</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-20703</link>
		<dc:creator>In English &#124; Hidden Harmonies China Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chinayouren:Lessons from Xinjiang &#8211; the Media [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The &#34;demise of the Media&#34; seen from China &#124; CHINAYOUREN</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-16759</link>
		<dc:creator>The &#34;demise of the Media&#34; seen from China &#124; CHINAYOUREN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has turned information into a perfect competition market where the consumer is king, but as we saw here, the invisible hand is not all that good at objective [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has turned information into a perfect competition market where the consumer is king, but as we saw here, the invisible hand is not all that good at objective [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stone</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-9528</link>
		<dc:creator>Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please see the video clips below. Use your discretion. Let&#039;s discuss the legitimacy of the &quot;protest&quot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDD5waedS4I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STtKvS3NM18</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please see the video clips below. Use your discretion. Let&#8217;s discuss the legitimacy of the &#8220;protest&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDD5waedS4I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDD5waedS4I</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STtKvS3NM18" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STtKvS3NM18</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stone</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-9195</link>
		<dc:creator>Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me try to highlight one example, although it works oppositely as what TommyDF would have expected. 

No Western media has ever investigated the social problems in the Uighuer residence areas in other major cities of China. Simple questions are: 1), why can Uighuers carry large knives without prosecution while Han Chinese cannot? 2), why few Han Chinese people would like to step into Uighuer’s neighborhood in the night? 3), why Han Chinese dare not to confront with Uighuers even if they saw those the Uighuers are picking their wallets? Seemingly unrelated to the Xinjiang incident, they are part of the answer to understand why the two ethnic groups ended up bursting out their grievances with a loss of nearly 200 lives.

While the Chinese media is politically restrained from such investigations, what the Western media have done instead? For ordinary Chinese, they don’t need the State media to figure these questions out, since they have real-life experiences. Then, where is the Western media? Yes, we enjoy freedom. But sometimes, we have to admit that our freedom is compromised thanks to a freely adjusted gauge in face of a solid appearance of incidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me try to highlight one example, although it works oppositely as what TommyDF would have expected. </p>
<p>No Western media has ever investigated the social problems in the Uighuer residence areas in other major cities of China. Simple questions are: 1), why can Uighuers carry large knives without prosecution while Han Chinese cannot? 2), why few Han Chinese people would like to step into Uighuer’s neighborhood in the night? 3), why Han Chinese dare not to confront with Uighuers even if they saw those the Uighuers are picking their wallets? Seemingly unrelated to the Xinjiang incident, they are part of the answer to understand why the two ethnic groups ended up bursting out their grievances with a loss of nearly 200 lives.</p>
<p>While the Chinese media is politically restrained from such investigations, what the Western media have done instead? For ordinary Chinese, they don’t need the State media to figure these questions out, since they have real-life experiences. Then, where is the Western media? Yes, we enjoy freedom. But sometimes, we have to admit that our freedom is compromised thanks to a freely adjusted gauge in face of a solid appearance of incidents.</p>
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		<title>By: Stone</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-9194</link>
		<dc:creator>Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you for the most part. However, I guess you forgot to mention the longstanding grievances that the Han Chinese also felt as a result of the ethnic policies in the country. All the perks, in forms of child birth, education, employment quota and most importantly the criminal prosecution have literally segregated the Uighurs and Han mentally. The underlying difference lies in the cultures of both. Han can tough it out and focus on improving economic life, while Uighurs are unwilling to, when both are feeling tremendous grievances. Assuming you are one of those who do not speak/read/write English at all. How do you embrace the social/economical opportunities in the US? Even if you could, the odd is much smaller than a comparable person with much superior English capability. I don’t think you can deny that.

Back to the issue of media, I think we are taking a one-way road in a wrong direction, if we continue to argue what we can perceive from the media. The Western media is symbolic to Freedom media, because the journalists are ordinary people who can freely disseminate their opinions in the public domains without political interference. However, as an ordinary people, are we also able to describe any incidents in a purely subjective manner? Instead of challenging the fairness of the media, I think it is more meaningful to gauge our personal subjectivity. 

Astonishing in this instance, the ordinary people (including Porfiriy) tend to ignore the feelings of the vast majority of the victims, Han Chinese. When you times 90% by 1.3 billion, the significance seems not negligible. However, when you come to the issue of subjectivity, you simply presume that those people are brain washed and not accountable. No matter what, you have to admit that those Han Chinese are a great step closer to the incidents. They are not the government, but they are blood-fresh people like you and me. 

Ask around your Chinese colleagues or friends. Hear their stories. The big issue is not the media, but a plain ignorance of the values and beliefs of over 1 billion population. It is like wiping out the Declaration of Independence with your pencil-head eraser, pretending that no one actually drafted it, saw it, and live for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you for the most part. However, I guess you forgot to mention the longstanding grievances that the Han Chinese also felt as a result of the ethnic policies in the country. All the perks, in forms of child birth, education, employment quota and most importantly the criminal prosecution have literally segregated the Uighurs and Han mentally. The underlying difference lies in the cultures of both. Han can tough it out and focus on improving economic life, while Uighurs are unwilling to, when both are feeling tremendous grievances. Assuming you are one of those who do not speak/read/write English at all. How do you embrace the social/economical opportunities in the US? Even if you could, the odd is much smaller than a comparable person with much superior English capability. I don’t think you can deny that.</p>
<p>Back to the issue of media, I think we are taking a one-way road in a wrong direction, if we continue to argue what we can perceive from the media. The Western media is symbolic to Freedom media, because the journalists are ordinary people who can freely disseminate their opinions in the public domains without political interference. However, as an ordinary people, are we also able to describe any incidents in a purely subjective manner? Instead of challenging the fairness of the media, I think it is more meaningful to gauge our personal subjectivity. </p>
<p>Astonishing in this instance, the ordinary people (including Porfiriy) tend to ignore the feelings of the vast majority of the victims, Han Chinese. When you times 90% by 1.3 billion, the significance seems not negligible. However, when you come to the issue of subjectivity, you simply presume that those people are brain washed and not accountable. No matter what, you have to admit that those Han Chinese are a great step closer to the incidents. They are not the government, but they are blood-fresh people like you and me. </p>
<p>Ask around your Chinese colleagues or friends. Hear their stories. The big issue is not the media, but a plain ignorance of the values and beliefs of over 1 billion population. It is like wiping out the Declaration of Independence with your pencil-head eraser, pretending that no one actually drafted it, saw it, and live for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good post. However, your cynic attitude toward the &quot;love stories&quot; made me sad. Have you not be moved by at least some of them? Like all the heroic act of people protecting others at the risk of their own life? 

Here is the link of a really moving love story. Please have a look, and see how you like it:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XOTEzNzcyMjA=.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good post. However, your cynic attitude toward the &#8220;love stories&#8221; made me sad. Have you not be moved by at least some of them? Like all the heroic act of people protecting others at the risk of their own life? </p>
<p>Here is the link of a really moving love story. Please have a look, and see how you like it:</p>
<p><a href="http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XOTEzNzcyMjA=.html" rel="nofollow">http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XOTEzNzcyMjA=.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yes</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-8980</link>
		<dc:creator>Yes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. 

In the times of war there is no doubt what so ever that the Western media is the engine of the government.  Iraq war is the perfect example, where US government worked harder than the Chinese government in restricting information to the point that lots of foreign reporters died doing their jobs not at the hands of terrorists but at &quot;friendly fire&quot; by the US military.  If that is not a threat to free speech what is?  When was the last time you hear a foreign journalist getting killed reporting in China?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. </p>
<p>In the times of war there is no doubt what so ever that the Western media is the engine of the government.  Iraq war is the perfect example, where US government worked harder than the Chinese government in restricting information to the point that lots of foreign reporters died doing their jobs not at the hands of terrorists but at &#8220;friendly fire&#8221; by the US military.  If that is not a threat to free speech what is?  When was the last time you hear a foreign journalist getting killed reporting in China?</p>
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		<title>By: Yes</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-8979</link>
		<dc:creator>Yes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, why don&#039;t you come up with some examples.

Better yet, I am interested to see exactly why do you believe how one version is &quot;better&quot; than another.  How do you define a &quot;good job&quot; when it comes to journalism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, why don&#8217;t you come up with some examples.</p>
<p>Better yet, I am interested to see exactly why do you believe how one version is &#8220;better&#8221; than another.  How do you define a &#8220;good job&#8221; when it comes to journalism?</p>
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		<title>By: TommyDF</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-8968</link>
		<dc:creator>TommyDF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI WD

I express in my post no knowledge of the riots. My observations, in line with the theme of this post, are solely about media coverage and, having observed both &quot;western&quot; and chinese media coverage, I come to the conclusion that the &quot;western&quot; media is doing a better job in comparison. This isn&#039;t about who produced the &quot;correct&quot; version of events, but who provided the &quot;best&quot; version of events. I am sure I could quantify this with examples if absolutely necessary, but from the tone of your reply, I am not sure it would make any difference.
Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI WD</p>
<p>I express in my post no knowledge of the riots. My observations, in line with the theme of this post, are solely about media coverage and, having observed both &#8220;western&#8221; and chinese media coverage, I come to the conclusion that the &#8220;western&#8221; media is doing a better job in comparison. This isn&#8217;t about who produced the &#8220;correct&#8221; version of events, but who provided the &#8220;best&#8221; version of events. I am sure I could quantify this with examples if absolutely necessary, but from the tone of your reply, I am not sure it would make any difference.<br />
Regards</p>
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		<title>By: uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-8948</link>
		<dc:creator>uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, thanks for comments. Many of the good points you note I address in the series of posts I am preparing on the subject, they will all come out between this week and the next.

Which is the reason why I don&#039;t have the time to answer one by one your comments (I also have a day job) But I will come back when I finish my writing. thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, thanks for comments. Many of the good points you note I address in the series of posts I am preparing on the subject, they will all come out between this week and the next.</p>
<p>Which is the reason why I don&#8217;t have the time to answer one by one your comments (I also have a day job) But I will come back when I finish my writing. thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: pug_ster</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-8940</link>
		<dc:creator>pug_ster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the repeated &#039;inaccuracies&#039; of Western Media nobody seems to be accountable for their &#039;mistakes.&#039;  Their governments doesn&#039;t seem to care in fact by Calf congresswoman Pelosi&#039;s statement after the 7/5 massacre seems to be for the &#039;oppressed&#039; Uyghurs than the 200+ people who are killed.  Since the government turns a blind eye towards these false propaganda reporting, we might as well call them state sanctioned media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the repeated &#8216;inaccuracies&#8217; of Western Media nobody seems to be accountable for their &#8216;mistakes.&#8217;  Their governments doesn&#8217;t seem to care in fact by Calf congresswoman Pelosi&#8217;s statement after the 7/5 massacre seems to be for the &#8216;oppressed&#8217; Uyghurs than the 200+ people who are killed.  Since the government turns a blind eye towards these false propaganda reporting, we might as well call them state sanctioned media.</p>
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		<title>By: yinbin</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/08/04/2234/comment-page-1#comment-8935</link>
		<dc:creator>yinbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China never went to promote ethnic separatism in another country. Western countries think it is a good idea to come to China to promote ethnic separatism. Chinese media never purposefully portrayed Western countries in a negative light at the expense of factuality and objectivity. Western media have been consistent in going out of the way to demonize China whenever they have the opportunity. China is still weak. The West is powerful. In this world, might is right. Such is the reality. The only way for China to stop being bullied all the time is to get strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China never went to promote ethnic separatism in another country. Western countries think it is a good idea to come to China to promote ethnic separatism. Chinese media never purposefully portrayed Western countries in a negative light at the expense of factuality and objectivity. Western media have been consistent in going out of the way to demonize China whenever they have the opportunity. China is still weak. The West is powerful. In this world, might is right. Such is the reality. The only way for China to stop being bullied all the time is to get strong.</p>
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