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		<title>By: CN Reviews looks back at 2009 &#8211; part 2 &#124; CNReviews</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/09/16/2338/comment-page-1#comment-18554</link>
		<dc:creator>CN Reviews looks back at 2009 &#8211; part 2 &#124; CNReviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chinayouren also offered some commentary on racism in China. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/09/16/2338/comment-page-1#comment-16620</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very good post regarding race in China, and race relations in general, and I&#039;ve learn a lot. Thank you.

Actually, this is a very good website regarding China in general since I haven&#039;t (not yet) got the opportunity to travel there. I stopped reading blogs and other individual view-point websites because it&#039;s mostly semi-nationalism (I agree that it&#039;s justified to a certain extent), fighting ideals with more ideals, gossip-news-&quot;infotainment&quot;, and criticisms. I found a few good blogs, like yours, and mostly stay away from the Chinese discussion boards that are in English.

Nothing wrong with criticisms but they usually come from and within a specific area of interest or mentality. Often I have to read a lot about that area of interest or specific viewpoint to understand criticisms which may not make sense objectively or may not agree with my opinions. So it&#039;s great you can post this topic in such a nice way. 

This post reminds me of an undergraduate research paper I wrote in 2004 comparing racial attitudes in the US and Brazil. Frankly speaking, people will eventually learn and find solutions to problems but it will have to happen on their own terms within reality, for many reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very good post regarding race in China, and race relations in general, and I&#8217;ve learn a lot. Thank you.</p>
<p>Actually, this is a very good website regarding China in general since I haven&#8217;t (not yet) got the opportunity to travel there. I stopped reading blogs and other individual view-point websites because it&#8217;s mostly semi-nationalism (I agree that it&#8217;s justified to a certain extent), fighting ideals with more ideals, gossip-news-&#8221;infotainment&#8221;, and criticisms. I found a few good blogs, like yours, and mostly stay away from the Chinese discussion boards that are in English.</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with criticisms but they usually come from and within a specific area of interest or mentality. Often I have to read a lot about that area of interest or specific viewpoint to understand criticisms which may not make sense objectively or may not agree with my opinions. So it&#8217;s great you can post this topic in such a nice way. </p>
<p>This post reminds me of an undergraduate research paper I wrote in 2004 comparing racial attitudes in the US and Brazil. Frankly speaking, people will eventually learn and find solutions to problems but it will have to happen on their own terms within reality, for many reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/09/16/2338/comment-page-1#comment-15417</link>
		<dc:creator>Uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know so much about the US, but speaking of China, I agree that their completely ignoring the problem is not a solution.

For the moment there hasn&#039;t been any major consequence, because the number of people of different races in China relative to the total population is minimum. But the Urumqi conflict has at least a part of racism, and it is to be expected that if China continues to ignore the problem there will be more problems happening in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know so much about the US, but speaking of China, I agree that their completely ignoring the problem is not a solution.</p>
<p>For the moment there hasn&#8217;t been any major consequence, because the number of people of different races in China relative to the total population is minimum. But the Urumqi conflict has at least a part of racism, and it is to be expected that if China continues to ignore the problem there will be more problems happening in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan White</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/09/16/2338/comment-page-1#comment-15395</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with your argument is just because the Chinese are more frank about it does not make their racial attitudes right.

Everyone on Earth needs to correct their racial attitudes and understanding.

USA&#039;s problem is they act like they solved the problem.

China&#039;s problem is that they don&#039;t think they have a problem.

Both are horrible ways to deal with the problem and what they need to do is directly address the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with your argument is just because the Chinese are more frank about it does not make their racial attitudes right.</p>
<p>Everyone on Earth needs to correct their racial attitudes and understanding.</p>
<p>USA&#8217;s problem is they act like they solved the problem.</p>
<p>China&#8217;s problem is that they don&#8217;t think they have a problem.</p>
<p>Both are horrible ways to deal with the problem and what they need to do is directly address the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/09/16/2338/comment-page-1#comment-11880</link>
		<dc:creator>Uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi George, long time no see!

Sorry for late response, I have been a bit stuck these days with a a bunch of silly ducks.

Actually, I was also brought up in a very homogeneous city. When I was a kid there were no blacks living there and I remember the first time I travelled to Madrid I stared in amazement every time we crossed one on the street, to the embarrassment of my family.

I also remember how, in the local paper there were news of racial riots in other areas of Europe, and many of us would comment: man, those countries are so racist! Then some years later local economy bloomed, and lots of immigrants from all over the World came in, and I realized that among us there were as many racist as anywhere else.

I tend to see China now as my hometown 30 years ago, except that, with the massive population here it will take much longer to see those kind of social changes, if they ever happen at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi George, long time no see!</p>
<p>Sorry for late response, I have been a bit stuck these days with a a bunch of silly ducks.</p>
<p>Actually, I was also brought up in a very homogeneous city. When I was a kid there were no blacks living there and I remember the first time I travelled to Madrid I stared in amazement every time we crossed one on the street, to the embarrassment of my family.</p>
<p>I also remember how, in the local paper there were news of racial riots in other areas of Europe, and many of us would comment: man, those countries are so racist! Then some years later local economy bloomed, and lots of immigrants from all over the World came in, and I realized that among us there were as many racist as anywhere else.</p>
<p>I tend to see China now as my hometown 30 years ago, except that, with the massive population here it will take much longer to see those kind of social changes, if they ever happen at all.</p>
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		<title>By: PH</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/09/16/2338/comment-page-1#comment-11855</link>
		<dc:creator>PH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, as things become more global, Chinese will learn, just like everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, as things become more global, Chinese will learn, just like everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Foreigners Attacking Chinese Racists Reveal Their Own Racism &#124; CNReviews</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/09/16/2338/comment-page-1#comment-11490</link>
		<dc:creator>Foreigners Attacking Chinese Racists Reveal Their Own Racism &#124; CNReviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Great post by Uln on this topic over at CHINAYOUREN »   Spread the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Great post by Uln on this topic over at CHINAYOUREN »   Spread the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/09/16/2338/comment-page-1#comment-11306</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice blog post Uln. I think you&#039;ve hit the proverbial nail on the head regarding Western-style racism. I grew up in a part of America is that is entirely racially homogeneous and it was uncommon that racial attitudes were ever uncovered, because as you said, Western social norms call for everyone to be quiet on the issue. But I discovered in high school that there remained a great deal of what I considered to be old world racism, almost a secret caste system governing life opportunities independent of aptitude.

While I agree with you that racism will only hurt China&#039;s ability to integrate more thoroughly with the rest of the world, I find the stories I&#039;ve heard about Chinese racism to be like a breath of fresh air. This is because mostly what I&#039;ve heard is Chinese people vocalizing that there is a difference between races. Having just graduated from Oberlin College (where being PC is almost a religion), I find honesty about the difference between races to be a much better starting point for learning racial understanding and developing a productive relationship between cultures.

Anyways, like I said, nice post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice blog post Uln. I think you&#8217;ve hit the proverbial nail on the head regarding Western-style racism. I grew up in a part of America is that is entirely racially homogeneous and it was uncommon that racial attitudes were ever uncovered, because as you said, Western social norms call for everyone to be quiet on the issue. But I discovered in high school that there remained a great deal of what I considered to be old world racism, almost a secret caste system governing life opportunities independent of aptitude.</p>
<p>While I agree with you that racism will only hurt China&#8217;s ability to integrate more thoroughly with the rest of the world, I find the stories I&#8217;ve heard about Chinese racism to be like a breath of fresh air. This is because mostly what I&#8217;ve heard is Chinese people vocalizing that there is a difference between races. Having just graduated from Oberlin College (where being PC is almost a religion), I find honesty about the difference between races to be a much better starting point for learning racial understanding and developing a productive relationship between cultures.</p>
<p>Anyways, like I said, nice post.</p>
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		<title>By: Schwarze Teufelchen und gr&#252;ne M&#252;tzen &#8211; und was das Internet wirklich &#252;ber die chinesischen Meinung verr&#228;t &#124; Daily China</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/09/16/2338/comment-page-1#comment-11247</link>
		<dc:creator>Schwarze Teufelchen und gr&#252;ne M&#252;tzen &#8211; und was das Internet wirklich &#252;ber die chinesischen Meinung verr&#228;t &#124; Daily China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in China schreiben – und just heute stolperte ich über einen Beitrag zu genau diesem Thema bei Chinayouren. Und dass ich mit diesem nicht so sehr übereinstimmen, spornt mich erst recht an, endlich meinen [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in China schreiben – und just heute stolperte ich über einen Beitrag zu genau diesem Thema bei Chinayouren. Und dass ich mit diesem nicht so sehr übereinstimmen, spornt mich erst recht an, endlich meinen [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/09/16/2338/comment-page-1#comment-11233</link>
		<dc:creator>Uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of what you say, except for the &quot;censorship&quot; bit. 

I don&#039;t think you can compare the self-censorship implied in political correctness with the government censorship on the Chinese media. I used the same word (unfortunate)to describe both realities, but it doesn&#039;t mean that they are the same or even comparable. In fact, they are essentially opposite: One is designed to repress different opinions (reduced diversity) whereas the other one aims -with variable success- to afford more protection to those who are different (increased diversity).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what you say, except for the &#8220;censorship&#8221; bit. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you can compare the self-censorship implied in political correctness with the government censorship on the Chinese media. I used the same word (unfortunate)to describe both realities, but it doesn&#8217;t mean that they are the same or even comparable. In fact, they are essentially opposite: One is designed to repress different opinions (reduced diversity) whereas the other one aims -with variable success- to afford more protection to those who are different (increased diversity).</p>
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		<title>By: pug_ster</title>
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		<dc:creator>pug_ster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody is sort of racist in some degree, like preference over their own race over others.  Unfortunately, that&#039;s something that you can&#039;t get rid of.  In Chinese Society people should be reserved and you should be careful what you say otherwise you people will think of you differently.  Thus the reason why many westerners think that the Chinese government censure them when they actually censure themselves.  In cyberspace however, many netizens including the Chinese can say whatever they want because they think it won&#039;t lead back to them.  And from some of these comments that they seem to be more frank about it because they can&#039;t discuss about it in real life, maybe it is out of curiosity or lack of interaction of people of other races.

Much of the racial attitudes within the US has been mostly ignored until the 1960&#039;s much because of atrocities toward minorities or actual laws against minorities.  In China, there is none of that, and China don&#039;t think it is an issue, much like issue of racism in Western countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody is sort of racist in some degree, like preference over their own race over others.  Unfortunately, that&#8217;s something that you can&#8217;t get rid of.  In Chinese Society people should be reserved and you should be careful what you say otherwise you people will think of you differently.  Thus the reason why many westerners think that the Chinese government censure them when they actually censure themselves.  In cyberspace however, many netizens including the Chinese can say whatever they want because they think it won&#8217;t lead back to them.  And from some of these comments that they seem to be more frank about it because they can&#8217;t discuss about it in real life, maybe it is out of curiosity or lack of interaction of people of other races.</p>
<p>Much of the racial attitudes within the US has been mostly ignored until the 1960&#8242;s much because of atrocities toward minorities or actual laws against minorities.  In China, there is none of that, and China don&#8217;t think it is an issue, much like issue of racism in Western countries.</p>
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