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		<title>By: Clicktivism alone doesn&#8217;t work in China, either / Waging Nonviolence - People-Powered News and Analysis</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-79795</link>
		<dc:creator>Clicktivism alone doesn&#8217;t work in China, either / Waging Nonviolence - People-Powered News and Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “dissident-lite”) and accepts that he doesn’t have to make some sort of binary choice between government toady and activist martyr, Han Han&#8217;s observations (albeit simplified and imbued with his trademark impishness) do have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “dissident-lite”) and accepts that he doesn’t have to make some sort of binary choice between government toady and activist martyr, Han Han&#8217;s observations (albeit simplified and imbued with his trademark impishness) do have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julen Madariaga</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-23554</link>
		<dc:creator>Julen Madariaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 11:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not exactly the same. Jordan was actually receiving millions of dollars from Nike, you could say his hands were indirectly dirty in the child labour scandal!

Han Han, on the other hand, does not receive anything from the government, he is also a victim of the Chinese system. He has his magazine banned and many of the posts he does are erased. Not to mention that he could be earning money if magazines were allowed to posts his articles an an op-ed, or as a professional blogger like Yglesias, etc, in the States.

How many famous American writers and journalists supported the Irak war, and how many of them were then condemned by the public/critics? Here is your answer: none. Even notorious hawks like Friedmann are still held in high esteem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not exactly the same. Jordan was actually receiving millions of dollars from Nike, you could say his hands were indirectly dirty in the child labour scandal!</p>
<p>Han Han, on the other hand, does not receive anything from the government, he is also a victim of the Chinese system. He has his magazine banned and many of the posts he does are erased. Not to mention that he could be earning money if magazines were allowed to posts his articles an an op-ed, or as a professional blogger like Yglesias, etc, in the States.</p>
<p>How many famous American writers and journalists supported the Irak war, and how many of them were then condemned by the public/critics? Here is your answer: none. Even notorious hawks like Friedmann are still held in high esteem.</p>
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		<title>By: transliterationisms</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-23552</link>
		<dc:creator>transliterationisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 10:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do we require of our writers to fight the system? Have they signed a compact to drive us into a consumerist slumber instead of protesting against injustice in the World? &quot;

Many people did and still do expect people with certain public standing (not necessarily or only writers) to take stands, fight the system, stand up for justice, rights, etc. There was a great deal of pressure on a figure like Michael Jordan to make any kind of comments about Nike, or work behind the scenes to do anything, when it started to be slaughtered on the national/international scene over its treatment of workers. The parallel was drawn with Muhammad Ali who refused to fight in to Vietnam war, &quot;I Ain&#039;t Got No Quarrel With The Viet Cong&quot; morphing into the consumer/corporate world of the 90s &quot;Republicans buy sneakers too.&quot;

Some people do expect/hope/require. And yes, many have signed a compact to drive us into consumerist slumber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do we require of our writers to fight the system? Have they signed a compact to drive us into a consumerist slumber instead of protesting against injustice in the World? &#8221;</p>
<p>Many people did and still do expect people with certain public standing (not necessarily or only writers) to take stands, fight the system, stand up for justice, rights, etc. There was a great deal of pressure on a figure like Michael Jordan to make any kind of comments about Nike, or work behind the scenes to do anything, when it started to be slaughtered on the national/international scene over its treatment of workers. The parallel was drawn with Muhammad Ali who refused to fight in to Vietnam war, &#8220;I Ain&#8217;t Got No Quarrel With The Viet Cong&#8221; morphing into the consumer/corporate world of the 90s &#8220;Republicans buy sneakers too.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some people do expect/hope/require. And yes, many have signed a compact to drive us into consumerist slumber.</p>
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		<title>By: The Time of Han Han &#124; CHINAYOUREN</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-22344</link>
		<dc:creator>The Time of Han Han &#124; CHINAYOUREN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] coming, as these past months a few major Western papers covered Han prominently. After the initial faux pas last year it looks like he  has done his homework, but his position is complicated. He has to find [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] coming, as these past months a few major Western papers covered Han prominently. After the initial faux pas last year it looks like he  has done his homework, but his position is complicated. He has to find [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;The inane meanderings of a petty little fascist . . . .&#8221; &#124; 工商法</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-17196</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;The inane meanderings of a petty little fascist . . . .&#8221; &#124; 工商法</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Raymond Zhou&#8217;s indescribably vile (not to mention homophobic) passive-aggressive assault on Chinese wild-boy and subversive author/blogger Han Han. Unfortunately for me, but, dear readers, fortunately for you, before I could click on the button [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Raymond Zhou&#8217;s indescribably vile (not to mention homophobic) passive-aggressive assault on Chinese wild-boy and subversive author/blogger Han Han. Unfortunately for me, but, dear readers, fortunately for you, before I could click on the button [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More on Han Han and post 80s isolationism &#124; CHINAYOUREN</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-17174</link>
		<dc:creator>More on Han Han and post 80s isolationism &#124; CHINAYOUREN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] back to the point that interests us: the image of Chinese writers in the West. We have already criticized the part of the Western media in this affair, but I think there is a lot to be said about Han Han [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] back to the point that interests us: the image of Chinese writers in the West. We have already criticized the part of the Western media in this affair, but I think there is a lot to be said about Han Han [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Mystery Island of the Internet &#124; CHINAYOUREN</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-16918</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mystery Island of the Internet &#124; CHINAYOUREN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the phrase, the fact is that it comes up every time, whether we are speaking of language, media or politics,  all seems to point in that direction.  The pictures below are my attempt to draw a World Map of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the phrase, the fact is that it comes up every time, whether we are speaking of language, media or politics,  all seems to point in that direction.  The pictures below are my attempt to draw a World Map of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FOARP</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-16838</link>
		<dc:creator>FOARP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only objection is the expectation that others must sacrifice to free themselves, when at the moment this can only result in a negative outcome for anyone who follows such urgings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only objection is the expectation that others must sacrifice to free themselves, when at the moment this can only result in a negative outcome for anyone who follows such urgings.</p>
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		<title>By: Uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-16784</link>
		<dc:creator>Uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I am NOT against capitalism, come on next thing you are going to be calling me a commie America-hater, LOL!!

No, this has nothing at all to do with capitalism, really. 

It is simply about strong countries using their power to take advantage of weak countries. I am not a crazy alarmist, I think the sitation is slowly improving and the World is much better now than it was 50 or 100 years ago, and yes probably we are going in the right direction.

But the Chinese can say exactly the same of their country internally, and there is nothing in our Foreign policicy that warrants our selfrighteousness and our idea of moral superiority to judge the Chinese. Our internal policies ARE clearly morally superior to the PRC&#039;s, but our Foreign Policies are not. To be morally superior we need to be so in all fields, otherwise we are cheating ourselves.

Not to get me wrong: we can, and we SHOULD criticize the CPC, but in the same way as we criticize Bush&#039;s Amrica, for example: with a bit of tact, and not with a self-righteous, sacrifice demanding, unbearably patronizing discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I am NOT against capitalism, come on next thing you are going to be calling me a commie America-hater, LOL!!</p>
<p>No, this has nothing at all to do with capitalism, really. </p>
<p>It is simply about strong countries using their power to take advantage of weak countries. I am not a crazy alarmist, I think the sitation is slowly improving and the World is much better now than it was 50 or 100 years ago, and yes probably we are going in the right direction.</p>
<p>But the Chinese can say exactly the same of their country internally, and there is nothing in our Foreign policicy that warrants our selfrighteousness and our idea of moral superiority to judge the Chinese. Our internal policies ARE clearly morally superior to the PRC&#8217;s, but our Foreign Policies are not. To be morally superior we need to be so in all fields, otherwise we are cheating ourselves.</p>
<p>Not to get me wrong: we can, and we SHOULD criticize the CPC, but in the same way as we criticize Bush&#8217;s Amrica, for example: with a bit of tact, and not with a self-righteous, sacrifice demanding, unbearably patronizing discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: FOARP</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-16781</link>
		<dc:creator>FOARP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst I do not agree with your anti-capitalist rhetoric, I must admit that I find the fetishisation of the martyrdom of others somewhat strange. Observe how many of the Russian authors who were trumpeted for their exposure of the dictatorship there in Soviet times are, in retrospect, over-hyped and nowadays increasingly forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst I do not agree with your anti-capitalist rhetoric, I must admit that I find the fetishisation of the martyrdom of others somewhat strange. Observe how many of the Russian authors who were trumpeted for their exposure of the dictatorship there in Soviet times are, in retrospect, over-hyped and nowadays increasingly forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Move over Kanye, meet Han Han (my new Unclese lover) &#171; kapookababy</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-16324</link>
		<dc:creator>Move over Kanye, meet Han Han (my new Unclese lover) &#171; kapookababy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] air &#8211; 破釜Sink the Boats沉舟 Han Han and the post-80s &#8211; chinayouren, who also has responded to Liu&#8217;s claim that Han Han is politically nonthreatening. Han Han Talks Back To TIME &#8211; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] air &#8211; 破釜Sink the Boats沉舟 Han Han and the post-80s &#8211; chinayouren, who also has responded to Liu&#8217;s claim that Han Han is politically nonthreatening. Han Han Talks Back To TIME &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren-free.com/2009/11/19/2515/comment-page-1#comment-16293</link>
		<dc:creator>Uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not only an American problem, but more generally of all developed countries. Our Justice and the rigtheousness that we derive from it are only true internally (or internationally among rich countries), but we are all completely blind to injustice committed on the 3rd World. For example, selling weapons to drug dealers is all cool as long as it is not inside out bubbles/countries.

America is the most obvious example because of its power but in essence we are all doing the same. Bombing a place is not the only way of being unjust. Forcing unfair trade deals can have an even more deadly effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not only an American problem, but more generally of all developed countries. Our Justice and the rigtheousness that we derive from it are only true internally (or internationally among rich countries), but we are all completely blind to injustice committed on the 3rd World. For example, selling weapons to drug dealers is all cool as long as it is not inside out bubbles/countries.</p>
<p>America is the most obvious example because of its power but in essence we are all doing the same. Bombing a place is not the only way of being unjust. Forcing unfair trade deals can have an even more deadly effect.</p>
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