Comments on: Google: Don’t Make that Mistake http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842 Of China changing the World Thu, 17 May 2012 01:40:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Uln http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-20227 Uln Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:45:20 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-20227 Well, I don't know. That ie6 is a crap browser is something we all know for a long time, and I remember clearly that similar things about ie6 security were said before the Google affair. But anyway, I never doubted that there has been attacks on Gmail and other G services, actually I would be surprised if there weren't any. My opinion was just that Google should not back out from those attacks, and instead the right action was to use its intelligence to fight back in 2 ways: 1- By catching the hackers red-handed so as to have unquestionable evidence against them. 2- By improving its software and its work procedures to afford better protection to the users. PS. Since last week, this blog also does not support ie6 anymore, and I recommend anyone using that browser to start using firefox or Chrome ASAP. This is because more and more developers are tired of playing for ie6 standards, and some of the new plugins in Wordpress don't work for ie6. Well, I don’t know. That ie6 is a crap browser is something we all know for a long time, and I remember clearly that similar things about ie6 security were said before the Google affair.

But anyway, I never doubted that there has been attacks on Gmail and other G services, actually I would be surprised if there weren’t any. My opinion was just that Google should not back out from those attacks, and instead the right action was to use its intelligence to fight back in 2 ways:

1- By catching the hackers red-handed so as to have unquestionable evidence against them.

2- By improving its software and its work procedures to afford better protection to the users.

PS. Since last week, this blog also does not support ie6 anymore, and I recommend anyone using that browser to start using firefox or Chrome ASAP. This is because more and more developers are tired of playing for ie6 standards, and some of the new plugins in WordPress don’t work for ie6.

]]> By: Wukailong http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-20192 Wukailong Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:27:10 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-20192 Just saw this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8488751.stm It does lend some credibility to the idea that Google backed out because of cyber attacks. Just saw this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8488751.stm

It does lend some credibility to the idea that Google backed out because of cyber attacks.

]]> By: Why Google.cn is Evil and should leave China | CHINAYOUREN http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-19936 Why Google.cn is Evil and should leave China | CHINAYOUREN Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:08:03 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-19936 [...] Depending on who they have at the table, the outcome will be anything between the two extremes we have [...] [...] Depending on who they have at the table, the outcome will be anything between the two extremes we have [...]

]]> By: Google and China: why it is good that Google.cn leaves | CHINAYOUREN http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-19910 Google and China: why it is good that Google.cn leaves | CHINAYOUREN Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:52:32 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-19910 [...] Blog « Google: Don’t Make that Mistake   Google: Good News + Advanced Study of SEM (1) Written by Uln on January 21st, [...] [...] Blog « Google: Don’t Make that Mistake   Google: Good News + Advanced Study of SEM (1) Written by Uln on January 21st, [...]

]]> By: Calos http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-19893 Calos Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:11:39 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-19893 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgDGNPnb124" rel="nofollow">here it is</a> here it is

]]> By: Calos http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-19892 Calos Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:10:27 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-19892 Sure you have seen it...Just a reminder of how did Google wanted to aproach China. Minute 17 You know my bet already, and I keep with it. :) </code><code> Sure you have seen it…Just a reminder of how did Google wanted to aproach China.

Minute 17

You know my bet already, and I keep with it. :)

]]> By: Uln http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-19860 Uln Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:23:09 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-19860 @Little Fish: Yeah, I agree with all you say. I realize the stock is very concentrated in Silicon Valley, and in particular in the founders and early Googlers. That probably explains why the price didn't move so much after the earth shattering announcement. That it is not a business decision is best evidenced by the un-businesslike announcement. I just read the guy at Managing the Dragon called it "inelegant". It is obviously a message where a lot (too much)of thought and too much personal has been included. Only the owners of a company can do something like that, no serious professional manager would even dare. Now, in spite of my doom scenario above, my bet is that it will not be such a big deal. I think Google will come back to reason and avoid big game politics. Ideally, they will simply close down G.cn avoiding the media bomb of having it closed directly by the authorities, and in exchange for that the Chinese will let them go on with the rest of the services, keep G.com unblocked, and Android business going. There is one thing that I always found quite amusing: everyone focuses on the manipulation of Search results on Google.cn, but nobody said that Google.com is a perfectly functional search in Chinese, and that it has been offering for ever all sorts of info, including videos of Tiananmen, etc. uncensored. The search results on Google.com in Chinese show them all on first page, including links to the dissident and FLG media! (of course most of those websites are blocked in China if you click on them, but that has nothing to do with Google, and it is already much better that you can actually see the results with the excerpts) If Google manages to keep it calm and ensure the site G.com is not blocked at the border (GFW), then the Chinese netizens will be fine, and all will be OK for Google. @Little Fish: Yeah, I agree with all you say. I realize the stock is very concentrated in Silicon Valley, and in particular in the founders and early Googlers. That probably explains why the price didn’t move so much after the earth shattering announcement.

That it is not a business decision is best evidenced by the un-businesslike announcement. I just read the guy at Managing the Dragon called it “inelegant”. It is obviously a message where a lot (too much)of thought and too much personal has been included. Only the owners of a company can do something like that, no serious professional manager would even dare.

Now, in spite of my doom scenario above, my bet is that it will not be such a big deal. I think Google will come back to reason and avoid big game politics. Ideally, they will simply close down G.cn avoiding the media bomb of having it closed directly by the authorities, and in exchange for that the Chinese will let them go on with the rest of the services, keep G.com unblocked, and Android business going.

There is one thing that I always found quite amusing: everyone focuses on the manipulation of Search results on Google.cn, but nobody said that Google.com is a perfectly functional search in Chinese, and that it has been offering for ever all sorts of info, including videos of Tiananmen, etc. uncensored. The search results on Google.com in Chinese show them all on first page, including links to the dissident and FLG media!

(of course most of those websites are blocked in China if you click on them, but that has nothing to do with Google, and it is already much better that you can actually see the results with the excerpts)

If Google manages to keep it calm and ensure the site G.com is not blocked at the border (GFW), then the Chinese netizens will be fine, and all will be OK for Google.

]]> By: Little Fish http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-19859 Little Fish Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:45:32 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-19859 I might add that given the percentage of the company controlled by the founders' stocks, it is highly doubtful that the company will be able to remove either of the founders as a sacrifice to appease the Chinese gov, provided they want to stay. The "guanxi" has been trashed. I might add that given the percentage of the company controlled by the founders’ stocks, it is highly doubtful that the company will be able to remove either of the founders as a sacrifice to appease the Chinese gov, provided they want to stay. The “guanxi” has been trashed.

]]> By: Little Fish http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-19857 Little Fish Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:38:26 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-19857 Based on conversations with some connected folks, it seems it was not a business decision at all.It was a culmination of life experiences and political leanings combined with the frustrations of dealing with China's GFW mentality and closed protectionist market mentality. The similarity to Russia's past approach seems to have set off a deep rooted hate for all that is Communist in Sergey, who initially penned the statement of withdrawl. As co-founder and friend, Larry was understanding of this position and also backed this up. Google's team of top management with the actual China experience were flabergasted, but once the statement was made, the damage was done. Based on conversations with some connected folks, it seems it was not a business decision at all.It was a culmination of life experiences and political leanings combined with the frustrations of dealing with China’s GFW mentality and closed protectionist market mentality. The similarity to Russia’s past approach seems to have set off a deep rooted hate for all that is Communist in Sergey, who initially penned the statement of withdrawl. As co-founder and friend, Larry was understanding of this position and also backed this up. Google’s team of top management with the actual China experience were flabergasted, but once the statement was made, the damage was done.

]]> By: Kyle http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-19854 Kyle Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:27:02 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-19854 When the google issue came up you were the first person I thought of. I knew youd have something to say about it, if the Tom above is the Tom I think it might mean hes also in the game. I suppose Ill check his blog as well. Its interesting to see the papers here and the response its got. I also supposed it had something to do with more than just censorship. Itll be interesting to see what pans out. Thanks for the info Uln, I will be passing on your name to all my fellow tongshis here in Van When the google issue came up you were the first person I thought of. I knew youd have something to say about it, if the Tom above is the Tom I think it might mean hes also in the game. I suppose Ill check his blog as well.
Its interesting to see the papers here and the response its got. I also supposed it had something to do with more than just censorship. Itll be interesting to see what pans out.
Thanks for the info Uln, I will be passing on your name to all my fellow tongshis here in Van

]]> By: SmokeTooMuch http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-19853 SmokeTooMuch Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:51:06 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-19853 Me too, I would like to see Google.cn stay! My hats down for "Google's statement" but as hinted, it is a fruitless move against CCP. It only hurts Google and its loyal users in China. Me too, I would like to see Google.cn stay!

My hats down for “Google’s statement” but as hinted, it is a fruitless move against CCP. It only hurts Google and its loyal users in China.

]]> By: Uln http://chinayouren-free.com/2010/01/19/2842/comment-page-1#comment-19834 Uln Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:43:19 +0000 http://chinayouren-free.com/?p=2842#comment-19834 Kai: what happens to the Chinese users is pretty much covered in my previous post <a href="http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/01/15/2752" rel="nofollow">Some Funny Stuff</a>. I think that video basically summarizes the whole thing: the internet here will suck even more than it does already, and free of worthy competition the Chinese internet companies will give up any attempt to innovate and continue copying each other ad eternum. That is what happened after Facebooka and Twitter left as well (although neither of those companies had a market here even comparable to Google China's) PS. Your comment was in moderation for a while because it contained a keyword, but I have already translated that word to the Chinayouren local dialect. Kai: what happens to the Chinese users is pretty much covered in my previous post Some Funny Stuff. I think that video basically summarizes the whole thing: the internet here will suck even more than it does already, and free of worthy competition the Chinese internet companies will give up any attempt to innovate and continue copying each other ad eternum. That is what happened after Facebooka and Twitter left as well (although neither of those companies had a market here even comparable to Google China’s)

PS. Your comment was in moderation for a while because it contained a keyword, but I have already translated that word to the Chinayouren local dialect.

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